01-16-2005 chat un-censored from OuterWorlds Town Meeting (full log in plain text minus the whispers). This file is provided by CyberWoLfman (citnumber 4876 in the OuterWorlds program). It is full and complete up until the time I left the meeting world to go to my own world. Nothing added, and the only thing removed from it is whispers to and from me. Immigration Officer: For a writen transcript of today's meeting, please email red4now at red4now@outerworlds.com Gavroche: they do here Boromir: Is that what this meeting is about? pianodavy: *shrugs* "Joe Bloggs": they caled it manditory were i was at school New Goat: its about dental "draiker": hola Christopher D: com LilAcorn: lol New Goat: even Cw Boromir: dental? Likee is checking our teeth? New Goat: standing front of me:) Tobyrae: ((CyberWoLfman and Snape Lover)) Greetings Snape Lover: ((((((Tobyrae))))))))))) CyberWoLfman: I was trying to get a good view, but didn't want to be right beside you so I moved ahead of you, but didn't think it was blocking your view. New Goat: evening Snape too Christopher D: , hi charlie, hi cyber, hi lover Snape Lover: Hi everyone. CyberWoLfman: Hello, Tobyrae! {{{{{Tobyrae}}}}} New Goat: is ok CW I can still see Likeee New Goat: :) I was just whining CyberWoLfman: Hello, everybody else! (To make this faster.) ;-) New Goat: I watch my text mostly anyways Charlie: hi CyberWoLfman: Oh, I 'whine' too, mostly about un-fairness and injustice, but it usually falls upon deaf ears. Christopher D: hi charlie New Goat: Evening Jill &Charlie Likeee: Outerworlds Town Meeting on January 16, 2005 is hereby called to order. "Joe Bloggs": is morti here? CyberWoLfman: We need something like a Greek theater setting... New Goat: lol. I'll listen to ya CW New Goat: but I want it in triplicate. CyberWoLfman: Hello, Likeee! Morticia: yes..Joe GamerChick87: hi ya morti Christopher D: hi herb GamerChick87: and you joe.. "Joe Bloggs": hey morti wats going on? Morticia: yo Chicky New Goat: *hushing myself* Likeee: Does anyone have anything they wish to discuss? CyberWoLfman: *Groans* You work for the government, New Goat? LOL Morticia: they -we gonna hang you..lol "Joe Bloggs": oh New Goat: LOL Cw. I am founding my own pianodavy: !! Christopher D thinks everyone should be quiet and let likeee talk Boromir: I think they are discussing already likee Likeee: pianodavy? "Joe Bloggs": hey dark likeee pianodavy: yes i has a concern Likeee: Would eveyone please not talk during the meeting unless you are called upon pianodavy: i sees here recently "Joe Bloggs": ok pianodavy: that we is losin some peeps pianodavy: i meen some werlds "lukeff7": meeting right? pianodavy: i see we lost the alucard famleee pianodavy: and pianodavy: i seen a notice we may lose jade pianodavy: which iz a brakin me hert pianodavy: so pianodavy: i thought pianodavy: maybe we should toss around ideeers on pianodavy: around pianodavy: on pianodavy: how we can encuraje peeps not to go pianodavy: i meen pianodavy: u kno whut im a sayin rite? pianodavy: end MrsCPU: !! "Joe Bloggs": i never seen so many persons Boromir: shhh joe Likeee: Jade does not expire until June. Lady Alucard's word left because they did not want to pay for the renewal. They asked us to renew it for free and when we would not, they got mad. CyberWoLfman: !! Tobyrae: !!! GamerChick87: wow.. "lukeff7": ( hi there toby ) Likeee: MrsCPU? GamerChick87: that explains the telegram.. MrsCPU: I do notice that Sprial Matrix is cheaper MrsCPU: and I was told that was why Alguard left :( MrsCPU: done "Joe Bloggs": !!!! Likeee: On the surface it appears to be cheaper. Christopher D: !! MrsCPU: but it might be out of order MrsCPU: but i stayed cause i like herb and you Christopher D: actually, forget that i said !!, i forgot what i was gonna say. MrsCPU: done Likeee: YOu get less for your money. Likeee: Cyber? Arista: ?? CyberWoLfman: Yes, Likeee, I was going to ask if the games were going to finally be ran in a more fair way when it came to maintaining order by removing the cause of the distruption, the attacker, and not his victims who sometimes get provoked into defending CyberWoLfman: themselves, like I've asked you and other OW representatives in e-mails, and put on my OuterWorlds Buzz page: www.cyberwolfman.com/owtnews.htm CyberWoLfman: Oh, and about other universes: What you see isn't often what you get, and they have those gor worlds there, so I'm not going there. :-P CyberWoLfman: Done. Likeee: The games are being run according to the rules. If you create a disruption or participate in a disruption, asked to stop and you do not, you will be ejected from the game. This is the way it has always been and will continue to be. Likeee: Toby? Tobyrae: I know that people come and go from universes. I wonder though if there is ever any follow up as to finding out ‘why’ they left? Especially those that were involved in wvrr, the entertainment team or other areas of promoting Outerworlds Tobyrae: and also may have been and still have worlds in here that they never come back to see? Tobyrae: If there isn’t, couldn’t there be someone who can contact these former citizens and find out if they are ok or if something happened to make them so unhappy that they left? Done Christopher D: !! Likeee: Usually when people leave, someone knows the reason why. They are not many that have disappeared without telling us why. Likeee: Joe Bloggs? "Joe Bloggs": i have 1 thing y was there 10 in ow and no one talking? "Joe Bloggs": end Likeee: when was this Joe? "Joe Bloggs": end "Joe Bloggs": earelier "Joe Bloggs": morty i told Boromir: almost eveyday activity has seemed to have died Charlie: !? "lukeff7": yes not much games no more in ow :( Likeee: I imagine everyone was off doing something else. Charlie: !! "Joe Bloggs": ok New Goat: !!! Gavroche: !!! Likeee: Something that everyone needs to realize. This is YOUR universe. If you want more activities in here, you need to participate in them. Volunteer your time to do different things in the universe. Right now, there has been a team organized to do Likeee: the Valentines Day events. Likeee: These are all citizens that are putting together contests and activities for that day. "lukeff7": tourist cant host games. "lukeff7": bye Likeee: We are usually slow in here after the holidays, but it starts picking up again shortly after. Likeee: Christopher D? GamerChick87: !! Christopher D: Tobyrae asked if someone could go to other universes to look for old ow people or so, and see if their okay, i have almost all universes installed on my pc & could go around looking if you wanted... Tobyrae: !!! Christopher D: universe browsers i meen, lol Christopher D: i'v seen some people like alucard & lady alucard in sm, and she is takeing lots of people with her that are from ow too New Goat: cancle my !!! from earlier Tobyrae: !!Retract New Goat: k thanks toby Christopher D: done Christopher D: sorry that i forgot to say that. "Joe Bloggs": 23 now cool Likeee: I think it would be very nice if all of you would work to recruit new people to the universe. It is very nice to get new people to come in. If people leave, I would imagine they have their own reasons for leaving. Sometimes it is personal and has Likeee: nothing to do with the universe or the people. MsCactus: !!! CyberWoLfman: !! Likeee: It could be a change in their work habits or their life. "Joe Bloggs": . Likeee: Arista? Arista: Could you please explain the "On the surface it appears to be cheaper... you get less for your money" comment... cause I paid $14.95 in SM for a cit and $39.95 over here for a cit..... and I really don't see the difference, except price. Arista: I'm just curious what i get over here that I paid the extra $25 for Arista: End Likeee: As far as we know, for $14.95, you only get to build in one world and you cannot own your own world unless you upgrade. Christopher D: !!!!! Likeee: You only get one small build plot. "Joe Bloggs": cor 27 "star4u": hi Likeee: That is what we were told. At least once a year, a new universe opens and everyone checks it out. We have been through this many times. We lose a few people, but most of them wind up coming back. Likeee: Charlie? Charlie: hi i just wanted to explore other universe programs an maybe bring people back here what are gors? you get smaller worlds in sm but you get a world with your cit and can get more but at this time theres less people in that universe Charlie: in there universe we can sit an drive things and give rides to other people would be nice to do that here i wonder how hard it would be to add features to our browsers in new features or how long that might take even tho its probably demanding Charlie: programing Charlie: done Likeee: Each software has it's advantages and disadvantages. You just need to decide which one is right for you. Likeee: Gavroche Gavroche: First off, I would like to say hi and that I am back to stay after a 2 year absence. Secondly, OW value for money is currently exceeding that of the software authors on on that front, there isnt really a good reason to leave ow if you are basing that Gavroche: judgement on pricing. Thirdly, I have agreed to undertake the replacement of the dead entertainment bots (like anagramatics) so expect our beloved game to return soon. I also plan to bring in many new types of games and some vast improvements Gavroche: to the automation of various parts of the OW software. I would also suggest a mailshot to the cit database offering a one-time return fee, so that we can tempt peeps to return. If I had have received such an Gavroche: email months / years ago, I would have returned sooner for sure. I just kind of forgot obout the great OW community. One last request is that I would like OW Inc to acknoledge my recent offers, even if they wish Gavroche: to decline them, but would most appreciate if they could be discussed further on a formal basis. Feel free to ask Q's. All my comments are my oppinions and should not be taken to heart. I'm done. "star4u": hi Likeee: great thanks Gav. Glad to hear you are going to work on those bots! "Joe Bloggs": 28 crist Likeee: Gamer? GamerChick87: I have a few short things. GamerChick87: When I was a tourist in the other worlds, I was overlooked.. when I came here, I was greeted GamerChick87: the people here are by far the nicest GamerChick87: I have met many past cit. who just do not wish to renew.. GamerChick87: be it cost or what ever GamerChick87: my "home" world is WolfW. I have not seen any of them for about a half of month.. GamerChick87: I understand that tourists do not have many "privledges" but maybe if there was a merit system for the excits they might stay a bit longer.. GamerChick87: done Jayjay: 1,2 Jayjay: ok thought me scroll had packed up Likeee: Thanks Gamer, I just want to kinda remind everyone that it takes money to run this universe. That money is collected in new Annual cit registrations and renewals and world sales. Likeee: Tourist don't spend any money. We should encourage them to register. Likeee: MsCactus? "Joe Bloggs": !!!! MsCactus: Some one mentioned not enough games... I see the problem is not enough people to host... If more people would play the games..more host would volunteer.. If more world owners would advertise some of the games..more players.. I see where everyone MsCactus: Needs to pull together,and encourage players.. and play the games,not just come in and watch. MsCactus: World Owners could donate a citizenship to a tourist who might win a game... with restrictions of course of how many they can win in a quarter MsCactus: Just an Idea.. If world owners would pitch in and help too.. It may bring in more citizens MsCactus: done MrsCPU: !! Likeee: thanks McC :) I agree, it takes everyone pulling together in here to make things work. :) Likeee: Cyber? CyberWoLfman: Thank you. CyberWoLfman: In regards to your comment about us promoting OW, I have done so in the past in many various ways, and not just on my Web site and my world. But, that was before the incidents I've already spoken about where those hosting OW games punished both the CyberWoLfman: attacker and their victims who dared to try to defend themselves. It is like a real world police officer shooting both people in the real world. If maintaining order is the goal, simply ejecting the attacker would suffice, I would think, and would CyberWoLfman: not make the game host look like a trigger-happy cop who only cares about maintaining a quiet street scene, and has nary a care about shooting both victims and attackers to acheive this goal. Although I think it would be far more fair to just eject Gentleman J: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz CyberWoLfman: the attacker, and not his victims, I understand that you have an 'official policy' and aren't likely to change that no matter what. The intense advertising I did to promote OW is now a thing of the past. People have complained to me, also, about OW CyberWoLfman: attitude towards their customers starting to look suspiciously like that of AW's, but I have tried to convince them that as soon as you are made aware of how they are seeing you, you will change. I hope that this will be the case... Also, I have "Joe Bloggs": !!!! canceled Likeee: Cyber..........I am going to stop you CyberWoLfman: changed my OW Basics page the way you had requested, putting in links to the seperated sections, but am still waiting for you to put a link to it in OW's GZ as you said you would. Oh, and MsCactus, I already give 30 day citizenships away as prizes. Likeee: this has been dragging on for months. CyberWoLfman: Oops. Okay. Likeee: Danii was conducting a game. Likeee: Both you and the other person involved were asked to stop arguing Likeee: and you did not stop. Likeee: You disrupted the game and therefore the rules state to eject the people involved in disruption. Likeee: Danii was following the rules. YOu need to accept this and get over it. CyberWoLfman: Both attacker and victim. :-( Likeee: Yes sir, both. Likeee: and it will be the same if it happens again. CyberWoLfman: "Just following orders." Think I heard this defense at Nuremburg... But okay. *Done* Likeee: It is called common courtesy to the other people are there to play the game Boromir: lol ooo nice Likeee: I do not want to hear another word about that incident. New Goat: !!!! Likeee: Christopher D Christopher D: Actually, in sm there are 3 types of cit, the 15$ one is just for a cit & a plot, the 2nd & 3rd ones come with free worlds. Also, you can buy worlds, they are hosted for free, it starts at p5, and, you can get up to p30. No license fee eather Christopher D: a p10 is only $60 a year for 10 users. Just so you know, likeee :), ok i am done :) Likeee: Christopher, why are you not over there right now? Christopher D: Cause, i decided i like this more. Christopher D: more people, sm is always crashing Likeee: MrsCPU? Christopher D: more people here than in sm i meen. New Goat: !!! retract again...hehe my moment of anger has passed. MrsCPU: i would like to mention that world owners may put signs up to advertise events, like wvrr and the games.. MrsCPU: i fully intend to do so in my world.. also, the way i was trained about ejections is that we have to warn 3 times during a game, in whisper, and send logs to danii or lifeforms.. MrsCPU: thought i would clear that up MrsCPU: done "Robin": Morty are you here? Likeee: thank you MrsCPU :) Likeee: New Goat, you don't want to talk? :) New Goat: I do...but I don;t MrsCPU: brb New Goat: I got the anger under contorl:) Moment has passed. Likeee: hehe ok :) New Goat: just dun ever hold hosts responsible for me in Soup. K:)? pianodavy: !! New Goat: done Likeee: pianodavy? pianodavy: ok pianodavy: i beleevs something here pianodavy: i thinks that the same reesons peeple go pianodavy: are often the same reesons why we casint git em in here too ez pianodavy: but pianodavy: i knos that this here universe pianodavy: iz one fine place pianodavy: but i alos haz a ideeer pianodavy: i remeber pianodavy: wen i use to sim pianodavy: fer a trekky group pianodavy: well pianodavy: we got peeeple to see the group pianodavy: i meeen to chek it out pianodavy: by seetin up a wee bittty teeem of peeps pianodavy: that wood take shifts pianodavy: in certain polaces on the web pianodavy: and set up like recruitment posts pianodavy: they wuz fun 2 do pianodavy: but\ pianodavy: they wuz fun becaws several of us did it at one time pianodavy: we did this on aol pianodavy: so i thought i might suggest that az a template of an ideer pianodavy: done Boromir: lol Likeee: LOL, so what you are saying is..........go out to other chat programs and recruit people to come into OW? Gavroche: hehe, yeah pianodavy: yup pianodavy: it werks pianodavy: if we goez in grups MrsCPU: !! MrsCPU: !! MrsCPU: oops Likeee: I don't see why it wouldn't. That is how I went to AW......someone came in the chatroom I was in at the time and told us about it. :) Charlie: ! pianodavy: i meen even set up a char rooom tho Charlie: !! Likeee: maybe you guys could form a coalition and attack other chat rooms :) MsCactus: Count me in PianoDavy..I'llhelp pianodavy: thanx mrs cactus pianodavy: ms Arista: !! RECX: Christopher D: i will help too pianodavy: : ) MrsCPU: me too Christopher D: charlie is already doing that!, i am trying my best too pianodavy: : ) MrsCPU: i've already sorta done that MrsCPU: in mirc pianodavy: i kno i seees i a comin Likeee: Mrs CPU? Your turn MrsCPU: ok MrsCPU: I thought we could have a concert MrsCPU: we have alot of people who have talents MrsCPU: davey plays keyboards, i play keyboard, boromir plays guitar MrsCPU: handmaiden can sing.. MrsCPU: done Likeee: all together or each as individuals? MrsCPU: either way MrsCPU: or both Likeee: I think it is a lovely idea. Boromir: *looks around and whistles* Likeee: What you guys could do is put it together, set a date MrsCPU: each can have individual and then we can have a group one MrsCPU: k Christopher D can do the whole midi set with his midi music maker, and is quite good at tunes Likeee: Let us know and we can post it in events and in the news MrsCPU: davey, you need to show me how to hook my keyboard up to my pc pianodavy: ok Likeee: If you make a sign, we will put it up in several of the worlds. Likeee: Just give us all the details. MrsCPU: ok Likeee: so we can advertise it for you. MrsCPU: k Likeee: great! Likeee: Charlie? Charlie: i brought a person here this week from there and am talkin to old friends right now tellin people about outerworlds an this meeting not sure how to bring people here on days we are in meetings first instinct is to bring them to the world Charlie: i'm at heh Charlie: done LilAcorn: !!! Likeee: Thanks Charlie, this meeting could be bad or good depending on which seat you are sitting in :) LOL Likeee: Arista? Arista: I keep seeing this "tourist" by the name of "AW is better" or something like that... have we sent an "OW is better" tourist to SM, AW, DLP, and/or CNW yet? Arista: :o) Arista: lol Arista: End Likeee: Well, ow.com cannot legally do that............ :0) Danii: !!! New Goat: but we can.......til ya get ejected;) Likeee: but ummmmmmm, and don't quote me on this.......we can't stop.........but be nice :) hehe New Goat: I like to pick on A/w, MrsCPU: ?? Likeee: Corny Likeee: ? LilAcorn: i am wondering if maybe we could get a new build world or if someone is out there who likes to make new promos for the realtor team to help bring the thrive and desire for people to build again or buy land to build... LilAcorn: im just not good on making promos LOL MrsCPU: talk to sporty, lil LilAcorn: done Boromir: I guess I could do some music for promos Likeee: What if we do this........recycle some of the ones that we don't use any more like Cyboria and Bugz? Likeee: Oceanic is sorta dead. LilAcorn: yeah cyboria and bugz lack of thriving especialy bugzlife LilAcorn: cyboria and oceanic still gets questions and buyers once in a blue moon heh Likeee: We would have to come up with something new. Z DAWG perkz up "get rid of Cyboria"!! Likeee: What does everyone think? MrsCPU: well Christopher D: what would you recycle it too? Christopher D: too = to MrsCPU: we could kinda vitalize oceanic Z DAWG kickz and stompz .... It's an outrage I tell ya! MsCactus: Delete all 3..and rename LilAcorn: what would you guys like to see? New Goat: Meta MrsCPU: it would be cool to have the concert underwater!! New Goat: lol pianodavy: i dont even knos whut u guyz are a tawkin about Leylach: Legoland :-) LilAcorn: build worlds piano RECX: there's activity in a world while building is going on..... Z DAWG: yeah and have a Lincoln Log Land RECX: what is there to do after the building is done? Christopher D: Hey, how about a sci fi one with special objects made for it like stargates, megacool spaceships & more! like modern spaceships, that are warm on the inside, and with energy cores in the bottem section New Goat: tunring it into a redlight district recx MsCactus: Or something simple... like...Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter RECX: Hey Goat....that might draw in some new cits... LilAcorn: like 4 seasons one per section? New Goat: Sure helped A/w in its day MrsCPU doesn't get it MrsCPU: redlight section?? CyberWoLfman: Already have sci-fi stuff i ThisIsIt, Christoper D. ;-) MsCactus: yes..Lil Acorn.. Arista: !! New Goat: kinda like moonglim but full time Christopher D: but can we build there? RECX: and visuals Likeee: ok, here is another suggestion. Christopher D: and i meen super-sci fi stuff, with extra ordanary vr bots like xors bot, and stuff pianodavy: lol Christopher D: vr = ai Charlie: could have a build contest world where it takes a week to build something if people have time then win something at the end of the week Gavroche: what about a historic world as you progress into the world deeper, you go back further in time Gavroche: so near the entrance, there are old style buildings permitted MsCactus: Great Idea.. GAvroche Gavroche: and farther away from GZ they get more and more modern RECX: like trogladytes? Christopher D: or a world where you can move terrain, and dig into the ground with real layers any mystical discoverys like treasure, old skelitons and more! and there could be a ow museim to put em in pianodavy: lol pianodavy: lol MrsCPU: or a medical world where you can be the dr Likeee: whatever you decide, someone is going to have to come up with an object set.......... Christopher D: O_O Boromir: a do what with who? MrsCPU needs to learn to make objects RECX: and the appropriate bots? LilAcorn: you mean they would have to create the objects or find the whole theme set? Christopher D: i can make objects, but not the best ones CyberWoLfman: There's hidden things in ThisIsIt, too, Christopher D. Just that few people have found most of them. Hee hee hee MrsCPU: i have the program but can't figure it out Likeee: if you pick a theme world, any objects that we currently have can be used or there will have to be new objects made. Christopher D: lol, but underground & u get prizes & get to put em in a museim LilAcorn: ahhh ok MrsCPU: how bout a civil war world? MsCactus: !!! Christopher D: no! not civil world war >_< LilAcorn: BTW in build worlds there is no underground building permited.... heh just prevents lag n etc CyberWoLfman: Won't the people who have bought the plots in those worlds and built there feel a little put out by everything being deleted, though? pianodavy: lol RECX: if i find a skeleton...i wanna hang it inna closet LilAcorn: im done pianodavy: omepooribz Likeee: would someone like to keep track of these suggestions? pianodavy: lol Charlie: i started the stargate network in tribute to the old red O icon i used to see Danii: cant we discuss this on the forums? Christopher D: i made stargate objects for charlie & avatars and still do Christopher D: :D Likeee: ok, Danii :) YOur turn Danii: i forgot what i had to say done pianodavy: lol MrsCPU: ?? MrsCPU: !! MrsCPU: i forgot Likeee: Ok, please, if anyone would like to volunteer to keep up with these suggestions, we could continue this in the forums. You have an opportunity for three new build worlds here, maybe even four. Likeee: Remember, we have a record of all the cit numbers that have built in those worlds. Likeee: Current citizens can be alloted credit for land in a new world. pianodavy: well i be danged! "DivineDancer": Hi Likeee: MrsCPU? no on your turn? Gavroche: !! MrsCPU: i had a question MrsCPU: ARe we allowed to build like a web page on a nother server for ow events? MrsCPU: and maybe get new people to come in? MrsCPU: done Likeee: You may advertise OW, yes ma'am, as long as you are not using it to make money, for instance T-shirts with our logo. New Goat: take care all, gotta run. be well likee was good seeing ya. *hug* pianodavy: c ya ng MrsCPU: nope was planning to advertise the concert on it RECX: bumperstickers? Likeee: you too NG :) Gentleman J: !!! Likeee: most certainly MrsCPU :) Likeee: I meant selling stuff with OW logos and such on it :) Likeee: If you want to print a bumper sticker and put it on your car........you can certainly do that. Charlie: is there a concert comming Gentleman J: Mrs CPU we cant use a click to link to wvrr on other webpages if you were thinking of useing wvrr for concert.....done Likeee: Not WVRR as outside link no Likeee: but an announcement to come to the universe and go to a specifice place and time yes Likeee: then if you want to have them link to WVRR for the concert, that would be fine. But it has to be inside the universe. Likeee: That is correct GJ? Gentleman J: yes maam Boromir: 1 thing MrsCPU, Im not doing it. Likeee: MsCactus? MsCactus: Back to Tourist...Becoming Citizens... I don't know what cost is involved..or Time...But If a New Tourist..had a Test Citizenship for like 3 days..might encourage them to buy a citizenship..once they see what a citizenship can do for them, ... .... MsCactus: assign them a teacher for this 3 days... and teach them to build..and to navigate the universe.. and play some games with them.. I myself.. wouldn't have joined if it hadn't been from the encouragement & help of b2thumpr and tobyrae.. done Christopher D: yes, thats why i got my cit, cause smee gave me 3 days on his last cit, since then i really wanted a cit like mad Charlie: 3dee had a month free trial Likeee: Well, let me see.........if you have a credit card, you get a one week free trial if you register in browser. Leylach: !!! Likeee: The cost for the monthly after one week free is $6.49. We really prefer that they register for an annual from the website. Likeee: It is much cheaper. $39.95. Likeee: for the year. Likeee: It would be ideal for them to be assigned a teacher for the time they are in here. Likeee: In order for that to happen, we need volunteers to do this. Likeee: Which brings to my next announcement.........segway......... Likeee: :0) Likeee: Radiance will have to correct me if I make a mistake here........... Z DAWG: one good thing about this , it got us all together .... wow I've never seen this many peepz in one world before, didn't think we'd all fit LOL Likeee: We are now having a drawing once a month to give away free citizenship time to all people that volunteer and work on the teams. Likeee: We had a special drawing this month and the winners for January are: Likeee: we have our first winners for the OWRep drawings. sugarfoot won a 2 week extension on her cit = yanksta won a 1 week extension - MsCactus won a 2 week extension and PsylockeO won a 2-week extension also. Don’t forget to enter the monthly drawings! LilAcorn: !!! pianodavy: congrachulshunz! MsCactus: WOW...ThankYou Christopher D: cool Likeee: If you have any questions, please ask Radiance :)) Christopher D: does that include the development team? Likeee: Gavroche? Gavroche: I would just like to say that I loved MrsCPU's idea about a concert so much, that I would like to co-ordinate such an event with her, and with her consent of course. Gavroche: I have the tools to make a live performance right into WVRR or into my own streaming server, PLUS we can make a remastered CD version to sell on the OW website for charity donations. Gavroche: If anyone can sing, or play an instrument, gramm me or email me. I will take care of ALL of the technical stuff, so dont be worried about setting up complex software. I will do all that from my media streaming servers and mixers. Done MrsCPU: !! Likeee: thanks Gav. You guys don't forget about the forums please. It is such a good media to use for communication with each other and organizing things. Arden: !! Likeee: Leylach :) Your turn Leylach: A bit off topic, but have you considered broadening your platform so to speak, by offering e.g. blog services. Lots of people pay good money to be part of blogging communities. I gladly pay $ 25 for premium service in the community I have my blog in Likeee: Arden's Music Madness is live on wvrr - find us at www.wvrr.com:8008/listen.pls for hi and www.wvrr.com:8003/listen.pls for lo - Show contains 18+ material - please be over 18 to listen. Leylach: Just a thought that struck me all of a sudden. Leylach: done Likeee: That sounds like something kewl we could do. Could you send me details on how that would be done? Leylach: I can look into it once my finals are done at the end of the month :) Likeee: great Ley :) thanks! Likeee: Corny? LilAcorn: the submiting drawing one per thing i dont really like the idea since it would clog up the email and etc LilAcorn: done LilAcorn: oh Likeee: oh, my email likeness@outerworlds.com LilAcorn: and if people cannot pay for the blogs how bout OW ads? LilAcorn: done Likeee: hang on a sec :) Danii: *starts selling ice creams* RabidWolf: With Sprinkles, Danii? pianodavy: duz u haz any cheezburger conez? Danii: plain or nothin! pianodavy: dang Arden: *Hotdogs, Peanuts, Popcorn - Get yer red hots here!* Christopher D stairs at plate of pizza and only see's old bits of crust Christopher D stairs at cup of kfc pepsi, and it is squished up and has no more pepsi, me stairs at screen in a sad way and says, i want food :( Likeee: ok sorry, Lila, what did you mean by OW Ads?? RabidWolf: Red hot popcorn... ooo MrsCPU: y'all are makin me hungry LilAcorn: like limited stuff like you have with email maye you could do the same with the blog idea that leylach brought up LT aLbino VuLcan: i goto make some food soon have not had anything to eat today yet and it is 3:10pm right now Christopher D hears tummy growling Christopher D: its 12 midnight here Christopher D: i meen ,11 LT aLbino VuLcan: i do not feel like making anything i got bronchitis LilAcorn: ok done sorry had to go chase my daughter before she colors the walls again LOL Likeee: MrsCPU :) Likeee: taking two more and then we will close. We are over our two hour time limit :) Arden: !! Christopher D: winter! LilAcorn pokes at mrscpu Winter: :) Christopher D hugs winter Winter: hello Christopher D: :) Likeee: ok, she must be gone Likeee: Arden? LilAcorn: probably went to get food LOL Arden: Thanks. Arden: Some time ago, myself and 3David were discussing the idea of organising a roadtrip for our European Cits. Christopher D: yeah!!! Arden: Firstly, has this been done before, and second, is there anything we would need to clear with OW before going ahead? Arden: Done. Likeee: no, Road Trips are done on a voluntary basis. Christopher D: could kids come too, like me (13) Gentleman J: just be sure we get to see pics Likeee: In the US, we have a committee that organizes them.......when I say we, I always attend them. Likeee: :) Boromir: Chris - I wouldnt recomend it Arden: I don't think so, not without at least one of parents coming Christopher. Christopher D: ok :( Likeee: There is a webpage on our website that we will post the pictures and any information for anyone that has one. Boromir: They normaly degrade into drinking contests when there are done in the UK Christopher D: i dont drink!!! Arden: We are not necessarily looking at the UK Boro. May be somewhere in europe. Leylach: There have been some european meetups as well. For some reason I have not been to any. I always go to the US insted :P Arden: Thanks for that Likeee. Just needed a bit of guidance. I will get back in touch with 3David and see where we go from here. Boromir: England is in europe Christopher D: i am in england Arden: i mean overseas boro... not in england in other words. Boromir: I know I was just saying :D Likeee: I love Road Trips. I have met so many people in here.......people who I consider to be my lifelong friends. I think Road Trips enhance the spirit of the community and help make it even stronger. We have wonderful people in here. LilAcorn: I would like to see something i can attend to near my home cause its not easy to travel with kids!!!! LT aLbino VuLcan: i been to only 1rt the may 2003 1 and there where kids at that 1 RabidWolf: http://www.outerworlds.com/roadtrips/ RabidWolf: sorry LT aLbino VuLcan: there parents where there too Likeee: Ok, that will rap it up for today. For those of you that are interested in the team drawings and participation, Radiance will be back shortly and give you some more information. She had to reboot. Christopher D: agh Likeee: I thank all of you for coming and everyone for supporting your universe. Christopher D: i want 2 get on this roof, lol red4now: good meeting likeee, thanks Christopher D: thanks RabidWolf: Thanks, Likee! Arden: Apologies to listeners of WVRR, my connection just died. It is now back up, so could you please rebuffer to continue listening. pianodavy: thanx likee fer yur undyin patience Likeee: :0) Arden: Thank You LilAcorn: k im gunna pop in a DVD and maybe take a nap....... gotta have my naps!! LilAcorn: thx for the meeting likee! Tobyrae: Thanks Likeee, good meeting Christopher D: its 12 afternoon here Charlie: or Winter: is there somewhere i can read notes on the meeting? sorry i was late btw pianodavy: now...weeer iz that persun wit the chili popcorn???? Arden: Nice one Likeee and thanks for allowing me to broadcast from here. RabidWolf: Now's a goog time to steal LilAcorns' DVD pianodavy: Hya Winter! Leylach: ack! look at the time willya? It's after midnight and I am still awake. Amazing. Winter: ((huggssss)) Davy :) Likeee: if you want a copy of the minutes...........email red4now@outerworlds.net pianodavy: hugggzzz bak at ya gurl! Likeee: I hope that is right :) Winter: ty :) RabidWolf: Hugs and toast, Leylach! Christopher D: i never got hugs! Christopher D: :( Christopher D: winter, i want hugz :P Winter: *squeezes Chris* :) pianodavy: lol Leylach: oooooo RabidHugs!! Yumm :) Henk: A copy from this ? RabidWolf: Ain't gonna happen, Chris Christopher D: ^_^ CyberWoLfman: Winter, I'll be posting some notes on my OW Buzz page later about this meeting: www.cyberwolfman.com/owtnews.htm pianodavy: i jus heeerd a toilet flush here Christopher D: what rabidwolf? Winter: ty :) Christopher D: aww, do it now so i can see it before i go bed :P CyberWoLfman: Hello, Henk! :-) Christopher D: its midnight pianodavy: lol Henk: Hello CyberWoLfman Snape Lover: Hi Henk. :-) pianodavy: the wagion duz it! RabidWolf: Jeesh, ok. hugs, chris. pianodavy: ha Henk: Hye Snape lover. Charlie: bbl pianodavy: lol Christopher D: lol Leylach: Speaking of reoadtrips...any plans for the next US roadtrip yet? Tobyrae: Hello Henk!! :) Hippie: mommas dont let you babies grow up to hump cowboys pianodavy: i didn kn o they wuz sounds in here Henk: Nice to see you . RabidWolf: There is no fly in this av! Stupid century... Christopher D: toilets flush when u step on the carage, i think its a mechanisum, it pulls the toilet chain when u stand on the thing Leylach: Hippieeeee :) Christopher D: i hear beer CyberWoLfman: Hello, Hippie! Hippie: Ley :):) Hippie: Hey CY Hippie: Gday all Winter: :) Snape Lover: Hi Hippie. pianodavy: hya hippie Hippie: Gday Snape LT aLbino VuLcan: i heard nothing my soundcard died and i am not going out in the snow with bronchitis to get a new 1 RECX: howdy Hippie RabidWolf: Hiya, Hippie Winter peeks over the wall RabidWolf: Send a runner, LT Hippie: Last time i saw this many people in one world GJ was Bar dancing in the Tiki ina tutu RECX: lol Hippie: Gday rec Davey CyberWoLfman: Beats an outhouse! LOL Hippie: Hey Rw mate Boromir: Hi hips RabidWolf: Glad I missed that one! LT aLbino VuLcan: i would send my mom but she my got the wrong sound card Leylach: Aye, me too RW pianodavy: Hi there Henk! Henk: hye Davy Hippie: Hey Boro pianodavy: : ) RabidWolf: Mom;s are unreliable, LT Henk: i go now. Henk: its over here. pianodavy: How far under the ground are you building, Henk? LT aLbino VuLcan: i will phone the store put it on hold my mom can pick it up Henk: O. a tunnel whit a room. Christopher D: where? RabidWolf: I thought building underground was a bad thing... pianodavy: why? pianodavy: I do it all the time Christopher D: so do i RECX: underground is relative... Henk: Bye all. i go Christopher D: ok pianodavy: bye Henk! Christopher D: bye RabidWolf: True, relative CyberWoLfman: About half the stuff in ThisIsIt is either underground or hidden. ;-) Snape Lover: Bye Henk. Likeee: Radiance will be speaking in just a few.......... RECX: above a certain level but made to look underground is ok.... CyberWoLfman: Bye, Henk. :-) RabidWolf: Yer own world, who cares... Christopher D: g2g to bed Arden: Likeee - I am playing some Hot Monkey Love for ya...they are the best thing since I first heard this type of music... Christopher D: i shouldnt have stayed here, now my mum will kill me Arden: night chris pianodavy: how are my 2 frens 2day? Winter: *tucks in Chris* :) pianodavy: hi snape hi wolfee Snape Lover: Hi Davy. :-) LT aLbino VuLcan: night chris RabidWolf: ...any other use of this chat is prohibited... Hahahaha MsCactus: Hi Radiance pianodavy: y'all haz the machin outfits an lookin so sharp besidez! CyberWoLfman: Good night, Christopher D! pianodavy: Hya Rad! RECX: you tooDavy pianodavy: nite Rex! CyberWoLfman: Hello again, PianoDavy. ;-) LT aLbino VuLcan: 1 questions why or some of you black triangles is there only 9 avatars in the list or more CyberWoLfman: Settings. RECX: yer settings are limited RabidWolf: Dial up? RECX: change it.... Hippie: My mind is limited LT aLbino VuLcan: i am on cable CyberWoLfman: Options > Settings > Chat. CyberWoLfman: Says how many to fully render. RabidWolf: Ya, well, Comcast isn't that great RECX: raise the number of avatars viewed CyberWoLfman: It's kind of like the thing in the WorldsChat program, but this won't mute those outside the limit. LT aLbino VuLcan: ok that is why nearest 20 avatars CyberWoLfman: Also depends on your view. RECX: R W is the only lil triangle i see.... RabidWolf: Dancing Triangle RECX: ok RabidWolf: Ya, opposite side of the yard, RECX RECX: yup CyberWoLfman: LT Vulcan, you can try going to the edge of the crowd and testing to see if you want to raise it up a lot or not depending upon performance. RabidWolf: *waves at RECX* Likeee: and without further adoooooooo Hippie: GTg Peace all RECX: lil black triangles have no arms or hands.... pianodavy: nite Hippeee Likeee: Here is Radiance :) Snape Lover: Bye Hippie. RabidWolf: And we HATE that, RECX RECX: night Hippie CyberWoLfman: Salom / peace / happiness / fairness / tolerance, Hippie. :-) LT aLbino VuLcan: hi radiance Radiance: hehehe Hi everyone : ) RECX: lol RabidWolf: HIYA, RAD! pianodavy: heya rad! RECX: Evenin' Radiance... Radiance: why do I feel like jack mann? or johnny carson? lol RECX: ed mann Tobyrae: Welcomd Radi Radiance: I have an announcement or clarification to announce Radiance: ooo yeah ed thanks recx ; ) Radiance: thank you Toby : ) RECX: jack paar MsCactus: Is this a trivia question Radi? Radiance: Hugs to RW : ) You are part of what I have to announce wolfie CyberWoLfman: Think that's Ed McMahon... MsCactus: How many points RabidWolf: Is Ed McMahon still alive? Radiance: ok lemme shuffle thru my papers here CyberWoLfman: Johnny Carson's sidekick who introduced him and said "Here's..... Johnny!" LOL pianodavy: he's at yur door wit a check now RW RabidWolf: Yes, Cyber. RECX: yup....he's alive Snape Lover: Yeah, that's him. RabidWolf: Oh, no! Gotta go! Thanks, pianodavy! OMG! pianodavy: : ) Radiance: I made a serious of miscommunications and I want to clear the owrep address issue up CyberWoLfman: He's doing the Publisher's Clearing House thing, and Neighborhood Watch publick commercials now, I think... RECX: doing publishers clearinghouse ads with dick clark........or is it time-life? CyberWoLfman: Public, even. :-P Radiance: … I totally misunderstood communications between Likee and myself. I should have been a blonde .. but have come in disguise .. RabidWolf: Let's see what Radiance has to say, shall we? RECX: a blond wig? Radiance: owpr@outerworlds.net is the correct address for the monthly drawings Radiance: let me repete that even Radiance: owpr@outerworlds.net is the correct address for the monthly drawings CyberWoLfman: *Tosses a gavel so people can rap it for order* ;-) Radiance: lil if yer still here I agree lets make it one entry for both drawings Radiance: and ... ~Sound of Drum Roll~ LT aLbino VuLcan: i agree enter once for all drawings Radiance: ~Wild applause and screaming~ Snape Lover: *Ducks to avoid the gavel tossing* ;-) RECX: tossing gravel? Radiance: Rabid Wolf has put the new ow Rep Guide online RabidWolf: Gavel Deaths are up, world-wide Boromir: who is gravel and why is he tossing? CyberWoLfman: Sorry, Recx, meant to toss it to whoever's running this shindig. Radiance: It is a password protected site and I will be sending the ow rep guide URL by email to everyone that has signed on board. CyberWoLfman: Er, show. Radiance: did anyone see my text perhaps? or do I need to grab that dang gaval n thump ya all with it? lolol LT aLbino VuLcan: i seen it Radiance: ty Lt : ) Snape Lover: LOL we see it. MsCactus: Yes.. I understand RabidWolf: Well, I seen most of it. CyberWoLfman: Simple restricted directory? CyberWoLfman: Oops. Nevermind. Radiance: hahaha Thanks RW Odwar Kantos Kan: i dun see nuthin Danii: !!! Radiance: well silly Od ya haftta open your eyes! Radiance: : ) RECX: i'm gonna need a password to open the mail? LT aLbino VuLcan: hi kantos Radiance: Danii Odwar Kantos Kan: nevermind my visor was down Arden: brb LT aLbino VuLcan: hi danii RabidWolf: Go back in time, Odwar. Danii: 2 questions please - 1) is the Ents guide out of date now and 2) whats the procedure for new games hosts? Odwar Kantos Kan: *waves at vulcan* RECX: Kaor Kantos Kan.... Odwar Kantos Kan: *poofs back in time just forRabidwolf* Odwar Kantos Kan: hiya Recx RabidWolf: A sheep in wolves clothing pianodavy: im sorry but i haz 2 go y'all haz the butiful day RECX: hairy wool? Radiance: Hi Danii : ) Nooo the ents guide is great! This is just OW info and the How-too's and Wgho-s who it is to give help to those that are answering questions and assisting new users RabidWolf: Bye, davy CyberWoLfman: Bye, PianoDavy! :-) Remember what I said. ;-) Snape Lover: Bye Davy. Odwar Kantos Kan: by davy remember what I didnt say Danii: ok thanks im getting confused with the draw then? RECX: night Davy Radiance: and as for the 2nd question ... why dont you and I meet and share ideas? Radiance: : ) Danii: when you have time then done Arden: i will br i promise. just making a drink and getting some food. Odwar Kantos Kan: so did I Leylach: good night. time to sleep RECX: g' night Ley Odwar Kantos Kan: nite Ley RabidWolf: Please don't snore, Ley. Night CyberWoLfman: *Notices who's page Google sends people to when they search for "outerworlds review" and laughs* RabidWolf: We've been reviewed? CyberWoLfman: I've been doing reviews of 3D chat programs for years, RabidWolf. Boromir: oh your page CW Radiance: Leylight Hugs : ) Radiance: g'night Ley RabidWolf: Well, if you search on rabidwolf... CyberWoLfman: Thought it'd be a good thing for people looking for alternative 3D chat programs rather than those like AW who value greed and promoting their products over their user's concerns for fair treatment. Arden: Sorry Guys - those of you listening to wvrr - I am gonna have to close the show down. My machine is presenting a major error and I cannot risk keeping it switched on. I will be back next sunday as normal. RabidWolf: Bummer, Arden! Thanks for the tunes Snape Lover: Hey, just do a Google search for 3D chat programs and see what tops the list. ;-) Radiance: sorry Ards RECX: later Arden RabidWolf: Wouldn't "3D CHAT"" be a more likely choice? Arden: Later people. Beb back as soon as possible. CyberWoLfman: Arden, you may want to try something like Symantec's "System Works". CyberWoLfman: Unless you want to ship it to me and let me fix it? LOL CyberWoLfman: Oops. Gone, already. RabidWolf: Don't get me started on Symantec, CW... CyberWoLfman: Hmm... It may come up for that too, RabidWolf, but probably further back in the results. Just made the thing to help people. I don't make money from it or anything. LOL CyberWoLfman: WorldsChat comes up for search on "3D chat". They use .gif for textures. ;-) Radiance: I had to reboot and dinny see .. is this meeting officially over? does anyone know? Wolfie? Red ?? you there? RabidWolf: Ya, I've checked it out before, CW. Sorry, don't mean to denigrate your effort at all! RECX: it is....Likeee sed so RabidWolf: Present, Rad CyberWoLfman: It's okay. I just like to help people and give information. :-) RabidWolf: And you do, CW. Radiance: did Likee end the meeting n leave me in bold? or do I need to make it officially closed? MsCactus: I thought LIkee..had said.. that Radiance had thefloor now.. Likeee: morp Radiance: lol meep Likeee: meeting was over :) RabidWolf: And we still need you in bold? Radiance: noooo RabidWolf: I know I hate bold... Radiance: yup my typos show sooo well .. sooo boldly Odwar Kantos Kan: for us blind bats bold is good CyberWoLfman: And bold hates special characters, too, that you can use in regular chat. :-P RabidWolf: But I love these booties. And the velvet cape... Oh, Sorry! Radiance: its that helmets visor Od we all keep tellin ya heeheh pull it up! ; ) Radiance: Bold canny do special characters CW? CyberWoLfman: I'll give you some to try. :-) CyberWoLfman: `°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸ Like this... ,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°` Radiance: `°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸ Like this... ,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°` Odwar Kantos Kan: `°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸ Like this... ,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°` CyberWoLfman: Ends up giving the little squares for some of them. Odwar Kantos Kan: that is special RabidWolf: © Cyber? CyberWoLfman: So you have to be selective, and sometimes edit them after testing in your world or something. CyberWoLfman: Think it does it in telegrams, too, sometimes... RabidWolf: Ya, text vs ansi. CyberWoLfman: RabidWolf, this technically speaking is probably copyrighted, but you can choose your own using Character Map in Windows. :-) RabidWolf: Look for ansi-art CyberWoLfman: I just screw around with a lot of stuff. CyberWoLfman: Make an alphabet, even and use it for things: CyberWoLfman: g®êê†ìñg§, êVꮥßðÐ¥, ƒ®ðm Ç¥ßê®WðLFmåñ! CyberWoLfman: ;-) CyberWoLfman: Er, sorry. Probably should get back to Radi. CyberWoLfman: But, you asked. LOL RabidWolf: No worries, CW. I used to have a kewl ascii signature once. RabidWolf: Oh, Radi, sorry! CyberWoLfman: ASCII: developed in 1963 for encoding control and alphanumeric characters into 7 bit binary strings. It's in my Triviabot in ThisIsIt. ;-) CyberWoLfman: *Hands (not tosses) gavel to Radi* RabidWolf: Lovely Boromir: hmm LT aLbino VuLcan: ascii is good RabidWolf: Now we have Unicode! CyberWoLfman: I do mostly HTML now. ;-) Eagle37: hello everyone Tobyrae: Hi ya Eagle HUgs MsCactus: Hey Eagle...Welcome CyberWoLfman: www.grokweb.biz Cheaper than most professionals, and I tend to be honest and not greedy. :-) Eagle37: hows everyone doing today CyberWoLfman: Hello, Eagle37! Eagle37: we haveing a meeting today Snape Lover: Hi Eagle37. RabidWolf: Just ducky, Eagle37 CyberWoLfman: Yeah. CyberWoLfman: Waiting for Radiance go gather her thoughts. CyberWoLfman: Or notes... Eagle37: hope they wasn't in the kitchen of her house Eagle37: lol CyberWoLfman: go = to. I need my caffeine. :-P Radiance: am I spose to be saying something else CW? I thought we were done ... nut I can always babble on about something if need be : ) MsCactus: Yeah...I saw that Radi's Dinner is burning AGAIN!! in her house at Amaha Radiance: LOL Ms!! Radiance: That is just how I cook! RabidWolf: The chinese say that things should be a little 'burnt' CyberWoLfman: Likeee gave you 'the chair' ("No, not the comfy chair!"), so the ball's in your court. LOL MsCactus: Remind me to go out to eat..when I come visit you..and bring you fudge LT aLbino VuLcan: you goto try her food RECX: afk... Tobyrae: Well Radi, if you are finished with us (didn't want to be rude and leave before you were done), I am headed out of here if I can get my butt unstuck from this chair! Great meeting LIkeee and Radi..huggs everyone red4now: tune your mp3 players to wvrr! 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